Below is a lightly edited, AI-generated transcript of the “First Opinion Podcast” interview with Jake Eberts and Jill Fisher. Be sure to sign up for the weekly “First Opinion Podcast” on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Get alerts about each new episode by signing up for the “First Opinion Podcast” newsletter. And don’t forget to sign up for the First Opinion newsletter, delivered every Sunday.

Torie Bosch: Jake Eberts did not die of dysentery. But he did catch it for science. How much would you have to be paid to risk a bout with a disease that most Americans associate with the Oregon Trail?

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